government. david: we already have. are you kidding, larry? we already have. >> i doubt it because, really, if the credit were destroyed, the cost of finance at the margin would be going up, and the cost of finance at the margin for the federal government is going down. >> larry, consumers are pulling back, a consumer that's pulling back, not spending as much, that is not going out and driving and consuming oil, the confidence seems eroded before a decision is made in dc. we don't even need a decision. david: larry, i know what you say about interest rates, overriding factor thinking about investment and how much cash, but, again, right for now, our credit rating is the best in the worlding but it's a lousy world of credit. that's the problem is that with all this money printing going on around the world, i'm wondering when that comes back to bite us. >> well, that's why you don't want to be in bonds and be in stocks because stocks -- david: good point. >> when stocks accelerate, good hedge against inflation. the consumer in the cave, i don't